{"id":64669,"date":"2012-04-21T12:52:22","date_gmt":"2012-04-21T10:52:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/moldovacrestina.md\/fils-de-dieu-existe-avant-son-incarnation"},"modified":"2017-05-03T18:45:31","modified_gmt":"2017-05-03T16:45:31","slug":"fils-de-dieu-existe-avant-son-incarnation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/moldovacrestina.md\/fr\/fils-de-dieu-existe-avant-son-incarnation\/","title":{"rendered":"Est-ce que le Fils de Dieu a-t-il exist\u00e9 avant Son incarnation ?"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Est-ceQuestion\u00a0:<\/p>\n

J\u2019esp\u00e8re que vous ne croyez pas que je veux vous stress\u00e9 ou me moquer de vous, car je pense que vos r\u00e9ponses sur ce cite s\u2019adresse premi\u00e8rement aux personnes qui ne connaissent pas Dieu. Pour ma part, j\u2019ai grandi dans une famille chr\u00e9tienne et je cherche toujours \u00e0 garder une relation correcte avec Dieu. Je vous adresse cette troisi\u00e8me ou quatri\u00e8me question. Avant j\u2019ai os\u00e9 vous contredire quand il me semblait que vous n\u2019avez pas argument\u00e9 correctement. Je veux comprendre les t\u00e9moins de J\u00e9hovah (une secte) et j\u2019essaye de me d\u00e9montrer la trinit\u00e9, mais j\u2019ai racont\u00e9 quelques difficult\u00e9s et je crois que la r\u00e9ponse \u00e0 ma question sera utile pour tous. De quelle naissance s\u2019agit-il dans l\u2019\u00e9pitre d\u2019H\u00e9breux\u00a0: \u00abTu es mon Fils, Je t\u2019ai engendr\u00e9 aujourd\u2019hui ?\u00bb Sur un forum, une personne cita ses affirmations : \u00abIls ont \u00e9tabli la th\u00e8se paradoxale, mais totalement non-biblique, que le Fils de Dieu existait d\u00e9j\u00e0 dans le ciel comme un personne divine individuelle et puis le Fils est n\u00e9 sur la terre. Ou est-il \u00e9crit dans la Bible\u00a0cette th\u00e8se\u00a0? Bien s\u00fbr nulle part\u00a0! […..] On argument souvent au sujet de l\u2019envoie du Fils sur la terre, sans comprendre que le Fils ant\u00e9rieurement a \u00e9t\u00e9 la Parole, le Logos. Il n\u2019est pas \u00e9crit\u00a0: \u2019\u2019<\/em> Au commencement \u00e9tait le Fils\u2026\u2019\u2019, mais \u2018\u2019<\/em> Au commencement \u00e9tait la Parole\u2026 Et la parole a \u00e9t\u00e9 faite chair.\u2019\u2019 \u00bb (<\/em>http:\/\/www.roportal.ro\/discutii\/topic\/13461-a-fost-fiul-nascut-in-cer\/<\/em><\/a>). <\/em>Donc, peut-on dire que le Fils n\u2019a pas exist\u00e9 avant son incarnation\u00a0? C\u2019est-\u00e0-dire la Parole est devenue le Fils seulement apr\u00e8s Son naissance sur terre ? Je vous remercie et que Dieu vous b\u00e9nisse\u00a0!<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Il est absurde et quel audace qu\u2019une personne fasse une telle fausse d\u00e9claration conform\u00e9ment \u00e0 laquelle nulle part dans la Bible il n\u2019est pas \u00e9crire que le Seigneur J\u00e9sus Christ avait exist\u00e9 avant de prendre la chair humaine et que J\u00e9sus Christ et la Parole (le Logos) sont des personnes diff\u00e9rent. Voyons ce que la Bible nous dit.<\/p>\n

Evangile d\u2019apr\u00e8s Jean 1:1-18<\/h2>\n

Lisez avec attention ce passage et noter le mot-cl\u00e9 \u00abla Parole\u00bb et tous ses synonymes (vous observez tr\u00e8s facile que le mot \u00abJ\u00e9sus Christ\u00bb et synonyme du mot \u00abParole\u00bb) et puis, \u00e9tabliez une liste avec toutes les v\u00e9rit\u00e9s que vous voyez sur la Paroles.<\/p>\n

Au commencement \u00e9tait la Parole, et la Parole \u00e9tait avec Dieu, et la Parole \u00e9tait Dieu. Elle \u00e9tait au commencement avec Dieu. Toutes choses ont \u00e9t\u00e9 faites par elle, et rien de ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait n\u2019a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait sans elle. En elle \u00e9tait la vie, et la vie \u00e9tait la lumi\u00e8re des hommes. La lumi\u00e8re luit dans les t\u00e9n\u00e8bres, et les t\u00e9n\u00e8bres ne l\u2019ont point re\u00e7ue. Il y eut un homme envoy\u00e9 de Dieu : son nom \u00e9tait Jean. Il vint pour servir de t\u00e9moin, pour rendre t\u00e9moignage \u00e0 la lumi\u00e8re, afin que tous crussent par lui. Il n\u2019\u00e9tait pas la lumi\u00e8re, mais il parut pour rendre t\u00e9moignage \u00e0 la lumi\u00e8re. Cette lumi\u00e8re \u00e9tait la v\u00e9ritable lumi\u00e8re, qui, en venant dans le monde, \u00e9claire tout homme. Elle \u00e9tait dans le monde, et le monde a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait par elle, et le monde ne l\u2019a point connue. Elle est venue chez les siens, et les siens ne l\u2019ont point re\u00e7ue. Mais \u00e0 tous ceux qui l\u2019ont re\u00e7ue, \u00e0 ceux qui croient en son nom, elle a donn\u00e9 le pouvoir de devenir enfants de Dieu, lesquels sont n\u00e9s, non du sang, ni de la volont\u00e9 de la chair, ni de la volont\u00e9 de l\u2019homme, mais de Dieu. Et la parole a \u00e9t\u00e9 faite chair, et elle a habit\u00e9 parmi nous, pleine de gr\u00e2ce et de v\u00e9rit\u00e9; et nous avons contempl\u00e9 sa gloire, une gloire comme la gloire du Fils unique venu du P\u00e8re. Jean lui a rendu t\u00e9moignage, et s\u2019est \u00e9cri\u00e9 : C\u2019est celui dont j\u2019ai dit : Celui qui vient apr\u00e8s moi m\u2019a pr\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9, car il \u00e9tait avant moi. Et nous avons tous re\u00e7u de sa pl\u00e9nitude, et gr\u00e2ce pour gr\u00e2ce; car la loi a \u00e9t\u00e9 donn\u00e9e par Mo\u00efse, la gr\u00e2ce et la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 sont venues par J\u00e9sus-Christ. Personne n\u2019a jamais vu Dieu; le Fils unique, qui est dans le sein du P\u00e8re, est celui qui l\u2019a fait conna\u00eetre. (Jean 1\u00a0:1-18)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Voila deux v\u00e9rit\u00e9s tr\u00e8s importantes que nous devons comprendre de ce texte\u00a0:<\/p>\n

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  1. La Parole et J\u00e9sus Christ sont la m\u00eame personne, et non des personnes diff\u00e9rentes. Jean-Baptiste a t\u00e9moign\u00e9 seulement de J\u00e9sus, il n\u2019a pas fait deux t\u00e9moignes s\u00e9par\u00e9es, une sur la Parole et l\u2019autre sur J\u00e9sus Christ. Cette Parole qui a fait la chair est J\u00e9sus Christ.<\/li>\n
  2. La Parole, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire J\u00e9sus Christ, a exist\u00e9 avant le monde, car toutes choses ont \u00e9t\u00e9 faites par Lui, et rien de ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait n\u2019a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait sans Lui. Il n\u2019existe aucune exception.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    L\u2019Epitre vers les H\u00e9breux<\/h2>\n

    M\u00eame dans ce texte Dieu dit que J\u00e9sus Christ a exist\u00e9 avant de la cr\u00e9ation du monde et qu\u2019Il est l\u2019agent de la cr\u00e9ation\u00a0:<\/p>\n

    Apr\u00e8s avoir autrefois, \u00e0 plusieurs reprises et des mani\u00e8res, parl\u00e9es \u00e0 nos p\u00e8res par les proph\u00e8tes, Dieu, dans ces derniers temps, nous a parl\u00e9 par le Fils, qu\u2019il a \u00e9tabli h\u00e9ritier de toutes choses, par lequel il a aussi cr\u00e9\u00e9 le monde<\/strong>, (H\u00e9breu 1\u00a0:1-2)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Colossiens 1:13-17<\/h2>\n

    Dans ce texte, il est fait une claire distinction entre J\u00e9sus qui est n\u00e9 et la cr\u00e9ation, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire, cr\u00e9ation qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 accompli par Lui.<\/p>\n

    \u00ab\u00a0qui nous a d\u00e9livr\u00e9s de la puissance des t\u00e9n\u00e8bres et nous a transport\u00e9s dans le royaume du Fils de son amour, en qui nous avons la r\u00e9demption, la r\u00e9mission des p\u00e9ch\u00e9s. Il est l\u2019image du Dieu invisible, le premier-n\u00e9 de toute la cr\u00e9ation. Car en lui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 cr\u00e9\u00e9es toutes les choses qui sont dans les cieux et sur la terre, les visibles et les invisibles, tr\u00f4nes, dignit\u00e9s, dominations, autorit\u00e9s. Tout a \u00e9t\u00e9 cr\u00e9\u00e9 par lui et pour lui. Il est avant toutes choses, et toutes choses subsistent en lui.\u00a0\u00bb (Colossiens 1\u00a0:13-19)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Les Ecritures ne disent pas quand J\u00e9sus Christ est n\u00e9 et nous ne pouvons pas discerner avec notre pens\u00e9e humaine ce myst\u00e8re divin, mais nous devons le recevoir par la foi, comme il est \u00e9crit dans les Ecritures dict\u00e9es par Dieu. J\u00e9sus Christ est le premier-n\u00e9 de toute la cr\u00e9ation. Car en lui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 cr\u00e9\u00e9es toutes les choses qui sont dans les cieux et sur la terre. Il est (il n\u2019est pas apparu, mais il existait) avant tous les choses. Et comme nous voyons tr\u00e8s claire dans ce texte, il s\u2019agit d\u2019un seul J\u00e9sus Christ et pas de deux personnes comme affirme la secte les t\u00e9moins de J\u00e9hovah. Que Dieu nous garde et nous prot\u00e9ger des toutes les doctrines fausses et nous lie \u00e9troitement \u00e0 la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 de la Bible\u00a0!<\/p>\n

    L\u2019article a \u00e9t\u00e9 traduit par Irina Batin.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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